Comments on: Beware The Bong: Paraphernalia Addiction

By: First of all,

First of all, — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:41:38 +0000

who really gives a damn about smoking tobacco? Smoke weed! It’s: less addictive, more fun, less cancerous, and overall better for you. Soft drinks are worse for your health AND mind than marijuana. People do stupid things on weed? Well then why have there been ZERO incidents at the gatherings on 4/20 at Boulder, Colorado? where ten thousand people gathered to celebrate and fight the oppressive bullshit of our government? They were all baked out of their minds, and no one was hurt! They all drove home with no accidents. Inform yourself. Those of you who aren’t informed about pot-smoking (if your knowledge of marijuana is limited to what t.v. tells you or what you “learned” in Health class, this includes you) should do yourselves a favor and visit norml.org. They know the facts. Or talk to stoners, they also know the facts. But most importantly, if you won’t inform yourself, at least do all of us a favor and shut up about what you don’t know. You have been lied to by your government, and as fanciful as I know that sounds to a lot of you, it’s most likely the truth.

By: Scooter

Scooter — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:36:24 +0000

How the hell did this article go from the topic of bong smoking to eugenics and white supremacy?

By: messenger

messenger — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:36:48 +0000

Good luck to you also.
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Messenger

By: Aileen

Aileen — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:11:07 +0000

Well, best of luck with your waterpipe addicts, I can see they must be a big, big problem somewhere. I have never met one, and no professional I asked in my region said they knew any either, though they had met many substance abusers/addicts. Hookas just must not be that popular in my area, as there are many other, less expensive drug delivery systems. But from the display of emotion, I’m sure hooka-addicts must be among your gnarliest hard-cases, along with those burl pipe and rolling paper addicts.

Keep up the good work!

By: messenger

messenger — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:36:31 +0000

This is the original statement “As waterpipe use is increasing throughout Europe and North America it is very important that we initiate comprehensive research efforts to combat this looming epidemic,” (the original link is http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071016195914.htm and this, contrary to your claim, has not changed since it was first published on Oct 17, 2007. This fact is verifiable from the source).
You can be stubborn, sarcastic, or pretending to be all knowledgeable, but you cannot twist facts or statements without a proof. For the benefit of education anyway, an important component of addiction is behavioral and has nothing to do with nicotine, but much to do with the vehicle. In the case of waterpipe the allure of the artifact itself and its associated ambience has been shown as drivers for use. Because of associative reward cues, features of the vehicle itself become essential to the dependence/addiction syndrome. So we actually develop interventions to curb waterpipe addiction, not nicotine addiction in the waterpipe as you suggest. If addiction to tobacco use products was nicotine, we would have finished it long time ago with nicotine replacement products. Not astonishingly, de-nicotinized cigarettes suppress part of the withdrawal and craving symptoms.

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Messenger

By: Aileen

Aileen — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:44:06 +0000

The statement says what it says. A “looming epidemic” of addiction to waterpipes, not to the nicotine smoked through a waterpipe. The original link I gave the day after this story first appeared has changed, and now reads,
Waterpipe Smoking of Tobacco is Increasing, But Research Lags Behind. I presume the original through-link to UPI led to more lampooning of its bad science writing than just what I wrote here.

…but it’s still about developing “cessation interventions” for waterpipe users, to get them off their addiction to waterpipes. That they are addicted to nicotine is a no-brainer, since we all know that nicotine is addictive. The re-write states:

“Many people believe that because the tobacco smoke is drawn through water, it is less harmful than other forms of smoking, but the evidence accumulated so far does not support that assumption. It also appears that using a waterpipe is as addictive as other forms of tobacco smoking.”

I question whether a drug delivery system can itself be classified as an addiction. One can be habituated to sucking on a pipe or a cigarette or a pencil to gratify an oral habit, but not all habits are addictions and not all addictions are habits. This sort of sloppy science, science writing and science reporting is for some of us a source of humor as well as some sense of irony at how easily such things can get misconstrued on the way to being universally misunderstood.

By: messenger

messenger — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:48:16 +0000

If you read the statement correctly, it says nothing about a looming epidemic of addiction to waterpipe. Your are mixing two separate statements to make a point that does not exist. Since you seem to know what science is, you should probably consider that one of most important qualities of a person of science is self-criticism and admission of being wrong.
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Messenger

By: Aileen

Aileen — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:10:24 +0000

Thanks for the comment, Messenger. The portion of this post dealing with Dr. Maziak’s dire warning of a “looming epidemic” of addiction to water pipes was tongue-in-cheek precisely because everything and anything human beings take a fondness to can be considered “addiction” only by diluting the definition of what it means to be addicted. IOW, it places the very real danger of physical addiction to substances such as nicotine or opiates (opium being the traditional filler for oriental water pipes) on a par with a person’s lifelong loyalty to Corvettes or strong preference for sweat pants over jeans. There are much better and more effective ways to warn of the dangers of hooka-smoking – the impression that the device somehow makes the substance less physically harmful or physically addicting – than to pretend that the device itself *is* an addictive substance/thing.

Precision should be the name of the scientific game, in all arenas of practice. Deliberately conflating subjects and issues for socio-political purposes (a.k.a. propaganda) does no favors for anyone, either those examining the subjects and defining the issues or the interested public trying to stay informed.

By: messenger

messenger — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:03:00 +0000

I incedently came across Aileen’s entry rediculing waterpipe research
“IWhoa! Who’d have thought that the pipe you smoke is as addictive as what you’re smoking through it? … Don’t laugh too hard. Someone funded this research, and it was probably us”.

And my response is that if Aileen wants to laugh then she should laugh of her ignorance. Some quick facts, first there is a widespread popular belief that the passage of smoke through the water purifies it from addictive and harmful substances (so you need research to verify these claims), second the tobacco used in waterpipes is fundamentally different from that of cigarettes (most of it are additives and it is prepared by different processes, which can reflect on its delivery of nicotine), third the tobacco smoke constituents and temperature of the waterpipe is very different from cigarettes (affects nicotine release and absorption), and finally addiction of this social tobacco use methods is not only chemical has a social dimension that is different from cigarettes.
So please don’t play smart when you are not.
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Messenger